Why Can’t Ethical Osteopaths In Uk & Nz Renounce Crackpot Ideas And Join Physiotherapy?

1. Rhianna Says

   Are you trying to fire up Lightning? (excellent!) Here have a star, sir.
   You raise a valid point though. Osteopathy, especially in Europe, is still steeped in a lot of BS and many osteo’s still haven’t evolved from their woo roots. Which reminds me, I owe him an email about CST.
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   Ah, Lighty showed up. OK Fine. CST: There is no evidence to support it. It is absolute quackery. It’s implausible and all you have to support your claims are personal anecdotes which are not on the same parr as data.
   Any pulse or “rhythm” you claim to be able to feel relating to the rhythm fluid is caused by normal functioning of the cardiovascular system and not the craniosacral system. There is no plausible mechanism for Osteo’s to be able to alter this rhythm either or even measure or detect it.
   Bottom line, there is simply no evidence that “cranial rhythm” is at all linked to any disease. Cranial manipulation is at best useless and at worst dangerous.

2. Lightnin… Says

   Because they like to be ‘alternative’? This is what I gather from discussions with Lightning.

3. Gary Y Says

   Crack pot ideas?
   Give me some examples.
   Randomised controlled trials with result disproving them would be suitable evidence.
   I don’t have a problem with gathering an evidence base at all.
   In New Zealand we will be working with the ACC in order to start the ball rolling and get some evidence base.
   The answer is, for very good reasons. We have a strong patient base who like what we do. many of them have been through the Physiotherapy system (which in New Zealand is one of the worst treatment models I have ever seen) and found it ineffective.
   When Physiotherapy was fully funded people would still come and see us and pay rather than go to the Physio’s because they found we got them better quicker.
   Now Physios have lost EPN funding they are loosing patients in droves. Our numbers have increased even though our surcharge is 2 or 3 times higher.
   Why would that be?
   As Osteopaths we can continue to practice as we do. Our regulators are happy and our patients are happy. We are not regulated by the physiotherapists or the medical profession. we are regulated by the Government.
   If you look at the ACC website you should be able to find statistics which show average numbers of visits for certain injuries comparing and contrasting different professions.
   The ones to check are Acupunturists, Osteopaths, Chiropractors and Physiotherapist.http://www.acc.co.nz
   GP’s average the fewest visits but mainly because they just sign off the paperwork for the ACC process and don’t treat.
   In the UK it has been proposed that Osteopaths Chiropractors and Physiotherapists merge.
   In time this may happen. As long as I can continue to practice as I do I don’t care.
   ####USA Osteopaths cleaned up their profession by driving out the more ludicrous skull throbbing cranks out.###
   You really haven’t done your research properly. There are more Cranial practitioners in the USA than anywhere else in the world. That is where all the research is being done.
   From the papers you have read from either the sutherland institute, The American Cranial Academy, or the Upledger institute please tell me what you object to with Cranial techniques?
   Upledger has done quite a lot of research which supports it. Can you do a critique with references and explain where you feel he has gone wrong?
   What 19th Century mumbo Jumbo?
   Did you know the UK physio therapy model has grown from 4 nurses who started the Charter of massueses? Look up the history of UK Physio-therapy if you don’t believe me.
   NB. On Upledger courses you will find quite a lot of physiotherapists. More and more of them are using these techniques.
   Why would that be?
   I’ve just done another Barral Course regarding working the visceral system. There were as many physio’s on that course as Osteopaths.
   PS. Rhianna, no need to reply to me in person. This question will be just fine. I’ve asked you for the same information as this user. I’d like everyone to see your answer.
   How long before this answer is deleted Ms/Mr multiple accounts:o)
   Edit:
   ###there is no evidence to support it. It is absolute quackery.###why?
   I asked you for papers and references.
   Where is your evidence?
   ###Any pulse or “rhythm” you claim to be able to feel relating to the rhythm fluid is caused by normal functioning of the cardiovascular system and not the craniosacral system.###
   No it isn’t. Where are your RCT’s confirming that you are correct? The cardiovascular and respiratory systems feel very different and have a different rhythm.
   Prove me wrong with some research not anecdotal opinion.
   ###There is no plausible mechanism for Osteo’s to be able to alter this rhythm either or even measure or detect it.####
   If you studied anatomy and physiology in the 1950′s (which we now know was taught incorrectly) you probably would find it implausible.
   Our knowledge of anatomy and physiology is much better now.
   I have told you the mechanism before and given you a physiological model developed from histological analysis of the tissues in the sutures or the skull and ventricles of the brain.
   You choose to discredit it because you can’t believe it is possible to detect it BECAUSE YOU CAN’T DO IT YOURSELF.
   Engineers working fine limits can detect a defect on a flat surface 1000th of an inch (thats 1/25th of a mm) by touch alone. Are they lying to you as well?
   SO WHERE ARE YOUR PAPERS? I DON’T WANT YOUR ANECDOTAL OPINION I WANT SOME EVIDENCE.
   ###Bottom line, there is simply no evidence that “cranial rhythm” is at all linked to any disease.###
   ?
   I wasn’t aware that it was. Why do you say this?
   ###Cranial manipulation is at best useless and at worst dangerous.###Where is your evidence?

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